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Ball jointed doll tutorial part 2 by Deskleaves Ball jointed doll tutorial part 2 by Deskleaves
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:iconchococannon: Just a tip: Do NOT use Sculpey or Super Sculpey. It is VERY fragile and breaks easily. If you are using polymer clay for your BJD, I suggest Sculpey Premo, as it is more hard and durable when cured.

:iconilludyr: please let me share my experience; using flosrist foam SUCKS.
when I tried to wrap the clay around it it just crumbled down at the lightest pressure.
so I would NOT reccomend it, if you are able you could better use thicker foam or tinfoil.


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:iconeliisa-is-a-lie:
eliisa-is-a-lie Featured By Owner May 13, 2017  New Deviant Hobbyist
that is such a good tutorial, thanks you !! ;v; i feel less likely to screw up now; i just have a question concerning the elastic's size, are there any tips to choose it according to the doll type ? like, would a Dollfie need a 20-35 cm elastic, or a 15-20 ? whether or not you know, thanks you so much already for putting this together !
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Deskleaves Featured By Owner May 13, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
I'm not really sure! I normally just way overdo it, adjust the tension, and then cut. You should get a length of elastic that's at least as long as the doll is tall, plus some extra to tie with.
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:iconeliisa-is-a-lie:
eliisa-is-a-lie Featured By Owner May 13, 2017  New Deviant Hobbyist
ooh, okay, that's a good trick i hadn't even thought of, thanks you !!
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Deskleaves Featured By Owner May 13, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
No problem!
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:iconanneartz:
anneartz Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Would this Clay work Do you think?
www.sculpey.com/product/living…
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
This stuff is pretty good, I have used it myself, but it's very stiff and difficult to work with. I would always shave it into sawdust with a knife, add a few drops of oil, and then knead it together until it was soft.

This sort of clay is really good for artdolls, but be careful with hands and feet- small parts that stick out tend to snap off easily. D:
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:iconanneartz:
anneartz Featured By Owner Edited Dec 4, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Alright Thanks so much! I'm Planning On making a Doll of one of these: :iconbagbeans:

But I plan to do a lot with it (I mean like, By Do I mean Rather more toy than Art doll. X''D)  so Super Sculpey is the Better Choice? :D
tysm! 
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Actually, I think the harder polymers are a better choice, despite needing extra effort to work with. Super sculpey is easy to work with and good for making beads, but it breaks very easily compared to the doll polymer. If you want the absolute best quality (in my opinion), go for two-part epoxy resin.
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:iconanneartz:
anneartz Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Alright! Thanks! :D 
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:iconari-uzumaki-elric:
Ari-Uzumaki-Elric Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016
Can your tutorials be applied to, say, a snake? Or something with wings?
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Deskleaves Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Yes, the concept can still be applied, however I don't have any experience making snakes, but I know it can be done! It's essentially a long chain of joints.
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Ari-Uzumaki-Elric Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2017
Alright, thank you!
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Abel-Nightroad-TB Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So you use either the clay or the resin? Ive been trying to look up a million tutorials and alot of them had been saying you have to make the doll out of clay then cast it with silicone then use resin in the silicone?
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Well, it depends on your personal choices. I normally work with the 2 part resin when I can, but am currently making a cat doll out of polymer clay (Fimo, god, I hate it but it's all I have)
Then when you have finished the doll, you could make a mold of it and cast the doll with resin. This gives you a superior product, because the resin will hold together better for longer, and feels a lot nicer than clay. It's also much more lightweight.

But if you don't really care about how ''fancy'' your doll is and don't mean to reproduce it for sale, you can easily just make them out of clay and not bother casting it. If you want a more fancy, durable doll but don't intend to sell many, you can use the 2 part resin.
If you want to mass produce your doll or have a very high quality resin doll, then you definitely need to cast it.
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cindy70r Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2016
love tutorial
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:iconcipherschatnoir:
cipherschatnoir Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
What brand and size of hooks and strings would you recommend for a Dolfie?
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Deskleaves Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
It's not an exact science, you get to choose. In the materials section, there is a chart shown regarding recommended string size, or you can find out by doing a google search for the standard size strings used in factory release Dollfie dolls for a more accurate answer.
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Griffonmender Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
On the subject of sculpey, there is a form called puppen sculpey meant for art dolls, though I've never used it.
   Also, you can avoid the burning issue by putting Sculpey in boiling hot water instead of baking it. ^^ 
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
I ACTUALLY HAVE USED PUPPEN! D8

It's secrety absolutely horrible... Really crumbly and hard, super difficult to work with like Fimo.. But, a while ago there was a journal in my gallery with a recipe for something called Derpentine, and puppen was one of the clays I used to make it. Basically, you can mix polymer clay with some air dry clay, starch, and a certain kind of glue to make very cheap clay that imitates very expensive clay for like, one fourth the price per block. I have actually been thinking of making and selling my own Derpentine, but IDK if it would be legal and haven't bothered to do the research.

I tried to find more puppen, because it was on sale for extremely cheap (7.50 eu for a lb? Sign me up.) but I couldn't find anymore. ;A;

Wow, boiling sculpey is a really great idea, I would have expected it to melt! Do you mind if I share it?
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Griffonmender Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Not at all. ^^ I actually learned that from checking out all the custom mlp stuff: turns out you can actually bake a legit pony, but fakies will melt in the oven (especially the hair).
  I figure its just a useful thing to know in general, especially when you only have a little bitty thing you need to cure, or when you actually have to use the oven to cook.
   Just make sure to boil the water first, and poke it with a spoon to see if it's done before you take it out, since in both cases you'd have to reheat the water and try to cook them again. (Experience ^^;)

Other tip, cutting off the top of the head and adding some sort of hook should probably occur before baking, since when I later had to add clay to hold it in, I inadvertently cracked the top of the head. Thankfully, the purpose of said doll was only to see I if I could actually make a functioning sculpey doll, which proved a success, although it's joints are simpler (it just has a nub at each shoulder/hip  that goes into a hole in the torso, and a head that goes right on the shoulders.)
  The end result of my experiment is no bishonen: but it Works, and thus, in theory more complex and prettier dolls could potentially be made with this material. ^^
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:iconstormkun:
StormKun Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Love your tutorials! Their very helpful. n_n
I got a question tho regarding clay ;w;, does homemade air dry clay work okay for these sort of things or neigh? [Like the type made out of either flower/cornstarch an vinegar/lemon juice, bunch of white glue, etc.]
  
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
There are so many different qualities and types of homemade clay, so I can't really  answer your question for sure!

You could definitely try it, as long as the clay doesn't swell/crack while drying, it should work well.
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:iconstormkun:
StormKun Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ooooo okay, 
Thank you very much! n_n
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T4pew0rm Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't know if you're still taking some advice on this.
But, I managed to find some stone clay at Michael's, so there might be some there for those that have it by them. 
They also have it on their site. 

There's also cold porcelain, I haven't tried it but it can be easily be made. But from what I read, it has to be sealed so it doesn't get messed up if it gets too warm or wet. 
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Yes! Most clay does have to be sealed and kept cool to prevent it from separating.
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MitteMaxi951 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015
is using tin foil good for hollowing
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
I'm not really sure what you mean by hollowing. :3 Can you elaborate?
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:iconmittemaxi951:
MitteMaxi951 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2015
i mean by make the bjd hollow inside
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Yep, any of the core materials I mentioned here will make your doll hollow! It just has to be 'crushable' enough to remove it after the clay gets hard. If you don't want bits of foil sticking inside the doll, wrap it in plastic wrap before putting on the clay.
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AngelOfYaoi Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know I am totally attacking your comments right now, but I have a question!
Would you recommend after painting the resin, should I blush the body and do the faceup before or after spraying the sealing spray?
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
It's up to you! Some people like to put the blush on top of the sealing spray so that they can wash it and redo it many times without repainting the resin, but personally, I like to do it right on the paint, and then seal.
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AngelOfYaoi Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Gonna add in some advice from user:
Be VERY careful not to go too thin when using paper clay, especially at joints. I went too thin without realizing it around the ankles of my first doll, and his feet are now destroying his ankles.
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Oh yeah, absolutely. Paperclay in general is a bitch to work with, especially on small dolls. .__.;
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jongtaehyung Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2015
can you get epoxy resin at home depot
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
I think you can, but you might want to be careful and ask a sales associate. Some 2 part epoxy resins smell like death and contain some harmful chemicals.  The safe kind of epoxy resin should smell just a little, like wet pine chips.
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KingGigabyte Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2015  Student General Artist
Oh no looks like I have a new hobby to try out ! 
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
It's a blast. And profitable, too. If you get stuck or have any questions, just ask. :3
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KingGigabyte Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2015  Student General Artist
I will ! Thank you so much for making these <3. I've been looking for something like this for a while. It looks so fun. 
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Yuri1Yuri Featured By Owner Edited Feb 10, 2015
hello ! why haven't i found you earlier and followed your steps ;-; , because when i tried to take the armature my doll started to break into pieces ;-; (hip part , and half of the neck... ) do you think that i am using a weak clay ? thank you for making this tutorial , i guess i am going to make a bjd again and defiantly will follow your steps . thanks again : ) , also how can you make the skin soft ? i have no idea how to use clay ..
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:icondeskleaves:
Deskleaves Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
You may have  been using a weak clay. Is it air dry clay, or bake clay?

You can make the skin soft by using fine-grade clay (one that doesn't have huge paper fibers or chunks in it) and sanding it very carefully. You should try to find epoxy 2 part resin, of you can. The clay kind, not the pouring kind. If you don't have a lot of money, I have a recipie in my journal for a kind of clay that doesn't cost a lot of money  to make, and is WAY better quality than cheap clays. Just let me know what you want to try first, and I'll help you if I can.
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Yuri1Yuri Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015
i am using air-dry clay , and thank you so much ! i'm going to look at  it (the clay recipie ) *Free Icon/Emote* Thank You Pusheen 
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Deskleaves Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
You're welcome!
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Valiril-Erquentien Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2015
I won't really recommend using Sculpey. I'm still new to making BJD, however, I have been in the clay community for a very long time, and Sculpey is prone to burning. Premo and Sculpey souffle is awesome, as they are flexible. Fimo is a must, and Prosculpt it probably one of the best out there. Use Cernit and Kato is you can get your hands on them, but them are quite hard when coming out of the package but have great colour. Use a mixture of the best clay you can get your hands on, and stay away from Super Sculpey unless you are going to reenforce it or paint over it, because it can break easily, get dirty while working, and get "moonies" (Google that), as well as burn easily. 
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Deskleaves Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
I hate using polymer for bjds, especially small ones, because yes, it loves to burn. Dx And omfg, moonies...
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ERR-651 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2015
This tutorial is amazing! just one thing...Im looking for a spray finish but all of them are extremely flammable (even Krylon). Do you know any brands or a specific spray that isnt flammable?   
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Deskleaves Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Hmm.. .One that isn't flammable? Doesn't come to mind! o___o I have heard of the matte powder-spray finish that's used on professional BJDs, but unfortunately I can't think of the name of it.

Normally, the spray finishes lose their flammability after a while. It's only while they are still in liquid form, or evaporating that they are flammable.
If you aren't sure about the spray you are currently using, spray a piece of paper with it, and wait three days. Put it next to a normal piece of paper, and light them both on fire on a grill or fireplace, and see if there's any difference in the speed at which they ignite, and burn.

If the sprayed paper lights very suddenly, and burns up very quickly, then the spray you have remains flammable even AFTER the vapor has done it's job and evaporated.
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ERR-651 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015
Thanks! Again this tutorial is awesome, the amount of detail put into this is outstanding! I absolutely love you for making this. 
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Deskleaves Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
You're welcome. If you're interested in more, another user on here :iconeratotiatuatha: has a patreon devoted to making video tutorials. The processes are really similar to this one, but the joint system is a little more complex (poseable hands, whhaaaatttt) if you ask about it, I'm sure they would give you the link and you could bookmark.
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asbaik Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2015   Traditional Artist
Благодарю!  Очень полезная информация для меня. 
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